In an investor call, Sadahiko Hayakawa, Sony’s general manager of finance, said the company expects to sell 18 million PS5s by the end of the year, less than the near-22 million sold in 2023. Hayakawa noted that in the second half of the 4-year-old console’s generation, they expect PS5 unit sales to “gradually decline.”

On this episode of The Vergecast, The Verge ’s Sean Hollister joins the show to talk about his experience with the PS5 Pro. We go through what you can expect from this super-powered new gaming machine, which games and which gamers might get the most from it, and why the PS5 Pro might have more in common with a gaming PC than a standard console.

Sony's new PS5 Pro lacks a vertical stand and a disc drive, unlike the PS5 Slim Standard model that retails for $499. If you were to add a vertical stand and a disc drive to the PS5 Pro to fairly compare it to the PS5 Slim Standard, its price jumps up to $810 — over $300 more than the PS5 Slim Standard.